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en>fr fr>en By FrenchAreToast Comments: 7904, member since Mon Aug 18, 2003On Sat Nov 15, 2008 07:09 PM
Edited by FrenchAreToast (71905) on 2008-11-15 19:34:01
I come to hail chief, not bury him
Greg Sheridan, Foreign editor | November 13, 2008
Article from: The Australian
I WRITE in praise of George W. Bush. I recognise this may be an eccentric position to hold and an eccentric moment to express it. But I am inspired by the example of the great Catholic polemicist, B. A.Santamaria.
In 1963, South Vietnam's president Ngo Dinh Diem was assassinated in a military coup backed by the Americans, though they didn't back his murder. To cover the assassination, the slander was put out that Diem, a devout Catholic, had committed suicide. Santa was torn. He wanted to defend Diem and denounce the Americans for the most foolish thing they did in Vietnam. But with a federal election looming he worried that he might diminish support for the US alliance. In the end Santa robustly defended Diem and denounced Washington's folly.
Later his great friend, archbishop Daniel Mannix, told Santa he haddone the right thing. For, he said, you must always be loyal to your friends, especially when they are dead and the whole world is against them.
Right now the whole world is absurdly against Bush. If he jumped in front of a speeding train to rescue an old woman he would be accused of cynically promoting US rail interests. In time, I'm sure, a more balanced understanding of Bush's achievements, as well as his failures, will emerge. But right now he's about as popular as a Wall Street stockbroker at a pensioners' rally.
Any defence of Bush and his administration must acknowledge its faults because, more than in any other administration, the virtues and the vices have been two sides of the same coin. Bush's biggest failing was his inability to speak persuasively to an international audience. His stubbornness, which is courage if you look at it a different way, was amplified for foreign audiences a thousand times by the Texan accent. In rejecting elite American opinion, he too often looked as though he was rejecting international opinion. In dismissing The New York Times, he seemed to dismiss Europe.
His other big fault was his failure to exert himself to ensure his administration was unified, especially during its first term. Having appointed big beasts such as Dick Cheney, Colin Powell and Donald Rumsfeld, Bush needed to stamp his authority on them more and adjudicate their disputes.
Instead, the Bush administration looked at times like a medieval court with warring princes under a troubled king. It got better during the second term.
Third, there were bad mistakes in implementation in Iraq. There was also a failure to pursue energy independence, even to the point of resisting fuel efficiency improvements in motor vehicles, which was part of a broader failure to articulate a coherent response to climate change, where his record was better than his rhetoric.
Finally, there was a failure on hiswatch to properly regulate the financial system, a failure he shares in full measure with congressional Democrats.
Now, the successes. Barack Obama in some measure owes his success to the inclusiveness of Bush. Bush appointed Powell secretary of state. He appointed Condoleezza Rice national security adviser, then Secretary of State. Over eight years, this accustomed the electorate to African-Americans handling critical national security positions. No other president, certainly no Democrat, had done anything like it. Bush was always a liberal on race, always way ahead of his party on immigration and the need for Republicans to woo racial minorities, particularly Hispanics. Without embracing the rhetoric of identity politics, he simply did things that advanced racial equality.
More important, especially for Australia, Bush was an immensely successful president in Asia. When Bush was first elected there was great fear of a conflict between the US and China. Instead, Bush from the start pursued a steady, productive and stable relationship with China. He didn't sell out Taiwan but he shrewdly and effectively manipulated downwards the vote of its pro-independence candidates by withholding US favour from them. He resisted any protectionist moves against Beijing. He had a much better China relationship than Bill Clinton did.
Similarly, the US-India nuclear deal, which symbolises the entire new strategic relationship with India, compares in historical import with Richard Nixon's opening to China. Likewise with Japan. Bush encouraged Tokyo to become an independent strategic partner within the framework of the US alliance. This removes the crippling psychological burden of strategic client status for Japan and, by making the US-Japan alliance militarily reciprocal, enormously strengthens the US position in North Asia.
The US reduced the footprint of its troop presence in Japan and South Korea while keeping those alliances strong. It re-established a healthy priority for Southeast Asia. US poll figures in most of Asia were better towards the end of the Bush administration than at its start.
From Australia's point of view, Bush gave us every single thing we seriously wanted, from a free trade agreement to historically important new intelligence sharing arrangements. In July 2004 Bush sent a presidential directive to the CIA and the US Defence Department that mandated Australian access to US intelligence classified as "no forn", meaning not to be seen by foreign eyes. Similarly, selected Australian institutions were given direct access to US intelligence systems. Former prime minister John Howard ran the US relationship brilliantly and secured huge, long-term institutional advantages for Australia out of it.
More generally, Bush was always ready to take Australian interests into account. Almost certainly we will never again have as good a friend in the White House. His first administration contained a group of senior officials - Cheney, Rich Armitage, Paul Wolfowitz, Bob Zoellick - with very deep Australian connections, and a doctrine that put solid allies ahead of all others. Howard sensibly took maximum advantage of all that this offered.
Bush doesn't get the credit he deserves for greatly increasing US aid to Africa, especially on AIDS. In reality no Democratic president would have done more.
Much of history's judgment of Bush will turn on Iraq and Afghanistan. This column, in what is certainly a minority position, believes the Iraq operation was the right thing to do on the basis of the information available and Bush was courageous to do it. More recently, Bush defied all his advisers to implement the troop surge that turned Iraq from a catastrophe to a chance of success.
This President, infinitely more complex than his reviews would suggest, will have a better place in history than most of his critics.
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en>fr fr>en By AMERICANPHYCO Comments: 9073, member since Tue Apr 22, 2003On Sat Nov 15, 2008 07:24 PM
You can take this to the bank.
In less than 2 years the sheepeople in this country will look back on Bush as Jesus Christ in comparison with what they will living in at that point.
Never in my life time have I seen a President so maliciously maligned and villified as GWB.
Wrong on alot of things, but a good decent god fearing man who protected those who even did him wrong and wished him ill.
I will miss his cheery optimism and sacastism. Like I said: a good man. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By NOZZLE Comments: 5810, member since Mon Mar 07, 2005On Sat Nov 15, 2008 07:37 PM
In dismissing The New York Times, he seemed to dismiss Europe.
I pray to live long enough to see Western Europe gassed to death by the muslim sandniggers, except good old boys like Dewi_Sant and Big Vern. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By LMAO  Comments: 6932, member since Sun Nov 06, 2005On Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:28 PM
I have been saying this for a long enough time here on FF that many of you may remember
"Pres Bush will go down in history as one of the greatest presidents to have held the office of President of the United States"
The vile left have got what they want. Pres-elect Obama. Do you think the reporters on the Right will vilify him as the left did to President Bush? | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By CaptnMorgan Comments: 22263, member since Mon Jun 09, 2003On Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:37 PM
Bullshit!
If you are trying to be too kind to your enemies,
you are ending up being nasty to your friends.
I'll respect Bush only if he pardon Ramos and Compean.
The fucking cretinous asshole have been spending
like a drunken demon-rat just to please them rats
at our expense. Just another
"aisle crosser" a la McLame...
Fuck him and the horse he rode in on!!! | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him en>fr fr>en By throwinitallaway Comments: 1088, member since Sat Oct 29, 2005On Sat Nov 15, 2008 10:43 PM
nobody will remember bush in the future cause everybody will be muslim. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him en>fr fr>en By CaptnMorgan Comments: 22263, member since Mon Jun 09, 2003On Sat Nov 15, 2008 11:14 PM
a good decent god fearing man who protected
those who even did him wrong
Your sentiments honor you, Phyco, but history
is written by the victors and Bush's mistakes
will be highlighted by friends and foes...
Say, what does the US history say about the Loyalists?
Quite a few of them managed the cross the northern borders!
Their tale is muffled even in Canada. If the recently
vanquished French had not decided to side with their
new masters, not a single one of them would
have survived. And history would be silent about them.
Washington was considered a slaver terrorist
just the same as Bill Ayers and Lou Farrakhan today.
All those that could not make it north
where massacred to the last.
With the new Muslim terrorist in the White House,
where are the Loyalists to freedom going to escape? | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By tbone2 Comments: 7895, member since Mon Jul 07, 2003On Sun Nov 16, 2008 12:24 AM
President Bush walked us through a lot of shit.
He's a stand up guy... not to many of them left. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By LIbFagDemsDIE  Comments: 2499, member since Sat Jan 01, 2005On Sun Nov 16, 2008 02:01 AM
He should have crushed the faggot dissidents amd executed all those in Gitmo, as well as giving shoot to kill orders at the border.
Iraq and afghanistan should have simply been reduced to a collection of smoking ruined cities and towns with half the populations dead and the rest starving, with no infrastructure and our boys all home, leaving the moo-scums to climb their own way out. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 3)
en>fr fr>en By whizz2  Comments: 16837, member since Wed Apr 23, 2003On Sun Nov 16, 2008 03:07 AM
You need to dig him out first if you want to bury him. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By Fredmasse  Comments: 30107, member since Wed Jan 12, 2005On Sun Nov 16, 2008 03:13 AM
whizz2 wrote:
You need to dig him out first if you want to bury him.
Yep... The quagmire is deep and muddy! | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him en>fr fr>en By mamud Comments: 2607, member since Mon May 21, 2007On Sun Nov 16, 2008 03:28 AM
Bush did one good thing during his double mandate: he attacked and invaded "irak", that pool of shit in the midst of Asia.
Apart from that, he behaved like a dumb fuck all along. We all know he's stupid as a camel dung, but it's not the first time it happens in History… he was surrounded by cunts. Now, it is possible, the US will go down for a very, very long time. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By Mafioso Comments: 1566, member since Mon Oct 17, 2005On Sun Nov 16, 2008 06:06 AM
AMERICANPHYCO wrote:
You can take this to the bank.
In less than 2 years the sheepeople in this country will look back on Bush as Jesus Christ in comparison with what they will living in at that point.
Never in my life time have I seen a President so maliciously maligned and villified as GWB.
Wrong on alot of things, but a good decent god fearing man who protected those who even did him wrong and wished him ill.
I will miss his cheery optimism and sacastism. Like I said: a good man.
He protected the army industry a lot indeed. Whether this is what God appreciates is another question. But is this a surprise? | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him en>fr fr>en By CaptnMorgan Comments: 22263, member since Mon Jun 09, 2003On Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:08 AM
Edited by CaptnMorgan (66685) on 2008-11-16 10:13:44
The consolation is that when the USA get a cold,
everybody else get pneumonia.
Better spot a dumpster to call your own, assholes.
Just check what went on in Argiesthan where neighboring
Chile, Paraguay ans Uruguay had to shoot dead
the Argie intruders raiding their vegetable gardens.
Bet Limey, french and german farmers are getting
ready to drop food raiding city commies
like the varmint they are!
Never in my life time have I seen a President
so maliciously maligned and villified as GWB.
Nah! "they" said worse things about Reagan,
but he was a communicator, outmaneuvered them,
so nothing really stuck.
Expect even worse shit to be dumped on Sarah Palin...
You can spot RINO dumbshit assholes by their
joining the posse of degenerate sub-human perverts... | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 2)
en>fr fr>en By BartSimpson Comments: 785, member since Mon Jul 25, 2005On Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:37 AM
I will always respect and admire president Bush for his love and protection of this great country. He has put up with more shit than any other president in history, but continues to make sure we wake up each day as free and safe people.
Liberal twats have been calling him an idiot for so long that even some dumb ass Republicans are starting to believe it. (I think it's funny that most of them are high school drop outs.) As for me I am proud to have voted for this great man. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By ontologique Comments: 11138, member since Thu Feb 13, 2003On Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:37 AM
Yes Bush is the savior | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him en>fr fr>en By ontologique Comments: 11138, member since Thu Feb 13, 2003On Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:40 AM
BartSimpson wrote:
I will always respect and admire president Bush for his love and protection of this great country. He has put up with more shit than any other president in history, but continues to make sure we wake up each day as free and safe people.
Liberal twats have been calling him an idiot for so long that even some dumb ass Republicans are starting to believe it. (I think it's funny that most of them are high school drop outs.) As for me I am proud to have voted for this great man.
lol | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By BartSimpson Comments: 785, member since Mon Jul 25, 2005On Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:44 AM
tontocanadiancunt wrote:
lol
Thank you tontocunt for proving my point, high school drop out. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By CaptnMorgan Comments: 22263, member since Mon Jun 09, 2003On Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:46 AM
Tonto sans logique and the trolls like him are
so fucking dumb that all they can
answer is three meaningless letters: lol... | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 2)
en>fr fr>en By FrenchAreToast Comments: 7904, member since Mon Aug 18, 2003On Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:55 AM
I love to post these types of articles and watch those suffering from BDS (Bush Derangement Syndrome) come crawling out of the woodwork shouting, "It's all Boosh's Fault !".
Bush Derangement Syndrome
As first described by conservative columnist and Psychiatrist Charles Krauthammer, Bush Derangement Syndrome (or BDS) is a loss of the capability for rational thought. This loss is often displayed over a period of hours, days or even months and years. The sufferer in all cases blames President George W. Bush for any and all types of disasters, human maladies, etc. despite abundant evidence of contrary causal effects. BDS is also manifested in many sufferers by a determination to label President Bush as the greatest single threat to democracy and freedom in the United States since the passage of the Alien and Sedition Acts during the presidency of John Adams. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 6)
en>fr fr>en By ProjectLily Comments: 3900, member since Mon Mar 21, 2005On Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:56 AM
God Bless you, Mr. President. You will be missed. Wrong on many issues but a man with balls of steel and iron resolve. I will never forget his campaign promise in 2004.
Even when you might not agree with me, you know what I believe, you know where I stand, and you know what I intend to do. On good days and on bad days, whether the polls are up or the polls are down, I will do everything we can do to defend the American people and win this war against the terrorists.
| re: I come to hail chief, not bury him en>fr fr>en By MatoubLounes  Comments: 5886, member since Sun Jun 04, 2006On Sun Nov 16, 2008 10:59 AM
AMERICANPHYCO wrote:
a good decent WIFE fearing man
Never forget. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him en>fr fr>en By BartSimpson Comments: 785, member since Mon Jul 25, 2005On Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:01 AM
Lol is quite possibly the dumbest computer slang ever used in the history of the internet. There is only one way to laugh, OUT LOUD, if it wasn't out loud it wouldn't be a laugh. Henceforth, anyone who uses Lol or ROFLMAO is an idiot. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 2)
en>fr fr>en By MadRusski Comments: 27071, member since Mon Aug 16, 2004On Sun Nov 16, 2008 11:11 AM
anyone who uses Lol or ROFLMAO is an idiot.
I beg to differ. Knowing how annoying and stupid they are I use it exclusively to piss of the Flinch. And it works. They go apeshit. | re: I come to hail chief, not bury him (karma: 1)
en>fr fr>en By ontologique Comments: 11138, member since Thu Feb 13, 2003On Mon Nov 17, 2008 08:07 PM
CaptnMorgan wrote:
Tonto sans logique and the trolls like him are
so fucking dumb that all they can
answer is three meaningless letters: lol...
Yet, LOL, is more intelligent than anything you have ever written...Your insanity is boundless but i must admit that i feel great affection for you...
Love,
Onto |
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