Only rednecks use the old imperial measures.


Designers in NASA, GM or every serious offices use the metric system. Check Google redneck.

not to mention all the know-how and technology that flowed from America to Germany when America paid for Germany's (along with the rest of Yurpland's) reconstruction in the 40s and 50's.

Given your family background I really had thought you would know better:

Here is an article published in Harper's Magazine in 1946 that gives you a rough idea of the dimension of the biggest intellectual property ripoff in human history:

SECRETS BY THE THOUSANDS

C. Lester Walker

Harper's readers are familiar with Mr. Walker's articles and the skillful mechanics of the Allied war. He now gives us a look at some of the disconcertingly effective tricks that were hidden up the enemy sleeve.

Someone wrote to Wright Field recently, saying he understood this country had got together quite a collection of enemy war secrets, that many were now on public sale, and could he, please, be sent everything on German jet engines. The Air Documents Division of the Army Air Forces answered:

"Sorry -- but that would be fifty tons."

Moreover, that fifty tons was just a small portion of what is today undoubtedly the biggest collection of captured enemy war secrets ever assembled. If you always thought of war secrets -- as who hasn't? -- as coming in sixes and sevens, as a few items of information readily handed on to the properly interested authorities, it may interest you to learn that the war secrets in this collection run into the thousands, that the mass of documents is mountainous, and that there was never before been anything quite comparable to it.

The collection is today chiefly in three places: Wright Field (Ohio), the Library of Congress, and the Department of Commerce. Wright Field is working from a documents "mother lode" of fifteen hundred tons. In Washington, the Office of Technical Services (which has absorbed the Office of the Publication Board, the government agency originally set up to handle the collection) reports that tens of thousands of tons of material are involved. It is estimated that over a million separate items must be handled, and that they are, very likely, practically all the scientific, industrial and military secrets of Nazi Germany.

One Washington official has called it "the greatest single source of this type of material in the world, the first orderly exploitation of an entire country's brain-power."

You guys took the entire technological know-how ofthe planet's most inventive nation - for free. A couple of years later you handed out a few billion (in loans btw) so that they wouldn't starve any longer and could become a market again that could buy your products which were often produced with ripped-off german know-how.

One has to thank America on his knees for her unparalleled unselfishness.



Read the entire article here:

www.historiography-project.org . . .

parigot wrote:

Only rednecks use the old imperial measures.


Designers in NASA, GM or every serious offices use the metric system. Check Google redneck.

Even in the metric system you can not measure weight in units of mass.

Metric system: Units of Mass = kg, Units of Force = N.

Is this somehow hard for you to yet understand?

You guys took the entire technological know-how ofthe planet's most inventive nation - for free.

Yeah, thanks for the recipe for Zyklon-B and designs for industrial-size crematoriums.

Veeeery lame

"ven in the metric system you can not measure weight in units of mass.

Metric system: Units of Mass = kg, Units of Force = N.

Is this somehow hard for you to yet understand?"



Give me the real definition of a unit of force and how it involves pounds, inches, feet or whatever instead of kilograms or meters...


Genius

Wulfrun wrote:

You're right of course: what have Germans ever invented? Jet aircraft, rockets, helicopters, diesel engines, automobiles, television etc. were all invented by Americans and completely unknown in Germany until long after the war. What would Europe have done without the USA? Europe wouldn't even have printing (yet another US invention) and we'd all be living like savages.

OOH! Look everybody! A straw man argument.

This means that instead of paying 10 euros to buy Lehamn Brothers, I now have to pay 10.10 euros!

That's getting very expensive!

MichaelE wrote:


OOH! Look everybody! A straw man argument.

If you don't write nonsense yourself, I won't reply with nonsense. Germany didn't need US technology, in many ways it was ahead of the rest of the world.

That's not to say that Germany had the industrial capacity after 1945 to capitalise on its inventiveness (the USA had taken it all - America's jet fighters and missiles are really the fruits of German endeavour).

AltesEuropa wrote:

You guys took the entire technological know-how ofthe planet's most inventive nation - for free. A couple of years later you handed out a few billion (in loans btw) so that they wouldn't starve any longer and could become a market again that could buy your products which were often produced with ripped-off german know-how.

One has to thank America on his knees for her unparalleled unselfishness.

Yes I'm aware since you've posted this article before. It wasn't exactly "for free" now was it? Are you forgetting about the minor matter of the world war the Nazis started and all the tens of millions of lives lost and the hundreds of billions of dollars that other countries had to spend on defense to stop them?...Not to mention the property damage. As far as the claim of "world's most inventive nation" that's entirely subjective and several countries could lay claim to that. BTW, the Marshall plan included grants as well as ridiculously low interest loans. I'm sorry I'm just not buying the "America is bad even when it helps others because its only helping for its own greedy eeeeeevil capitalist reasons" argument. The fact is, America was more generous than any conquering nation has ever been in history. I know of no other examples in the past of conquering nations installing democratic governments, ensuring liberty and paying vast sums to help them get back on their feet-even erstwhile enemies. Do you? If so please cite them.

The truth is technology has flowed back and forth between advanced countries and across the Atlantic for quite some time now. In the 19th century when Europe was clearly wealthier and more populous it clearly had better and more technology. As America developed and grew that changed. One could make a good argument looking at Nobel Prize Winners in science, economic growth rates, patents, University rankings, % of GDP spent on R&D, etc etc that America has pulled ahead of Europe over the last few generations.

MichaelE wrote:

I'm sorry I'm just not buying the "America is bad even when it helps others because its only helping for its own greedy eeeeeevil capitalist reasons" argument.

Well, look who's using a straw man argument now!

Wulfrun wrote:

If you don't write nonsense yourself, I won't reply with nonsense. Germany didn't need US technology, in many ways it was ahead of the rest of the world.

Backatcha. Germany WAS ahead of the rest of the world in the 19th century and one could even argue until the end of WWII by some measures. Since then most objective factors like Nobel Prize winners, economic growth, university rankings, percent of GDP spent on R&D, etc would point to America being ahead of the rest of the world.

That's not to say that Germany had the industrial capacity after 1945 to capitalise on its inventiveness (the USA had taken it all - America's jet fighters and missiles are really the fruits of German endeavour).

ROTF! If you want to look at who really carted off a lot of German factory equipment, you need to look East, not West. To claim America's jet fighters and missiles are really German is absurd. Ever hear of Robert Goddard? So....I guess the German's missiles were really American then right? It might also interest you to know America had developed its own Jet engines by the end of WWII as had Britain. The ME 262 might have been a step ahead of what the Anglo-Saxons had by way of Jet Fighters, but the Germans hardly held a monopoly on this technology. In other areas (proximity fuses, anti-tank rockets, atomic weapons, etc) America held a clear edge.

Yes Yes, I know. Anything that was invented in America was really Yurp technology and anything invented in Europe had nothing to do with American technology....even if American technology came first and the Yurps borrowed heavily from it. Spare me. I've heard it all before.

You guys took the entire technological know-how ofthe planet's most inventive nation - for free. A couple of years later you handed out a few billion (in loans btw) so that they wouldn't starve any longer and could become a market again that could buy your products which were often produced with ripped-off german know-how.

One has to thank America on his knees for her unparalleled unselfishness.

Just be thankful you didn't get nuked. We were too kind.

MichaelE wrote:

Germany WAS ahead of the rest of the world in the 19th century and one could even argue until the end of WWII by some measures.

That's precisely what I was saying.

MichaelE wrote:

Since then most objective factors like Nobel Prize winners, economic growth, university rankings, percent of GDP spent on R&D, etc would point to America being ahead of the rest of the world.

Given what had happened to the rest of the world while the USA was unscathed, hardly surprising.

MichaelE wrote:

If you want to look at who really carted off a lot of German factory equipment, you need to look East, not West.

Britain carted off a lot of German industrial plant too.

MichaelE wrote:

To claim America's jet fighters and missiles are really German is absurd. Ever hear of Robert Goddard? So....I guess the German's missiles were really American then right? It might also interest you to know America had developed its own Jet engines by the end of WWII as had Britain. The ME 262 might have been a step ahead of what the Anglo-Saxons had by way of Jet Fighters, but the Germans hardly held a monopoly on this technology.

If the USA was so far advanced, it's puzzling why it was so keen to get its hands on and peruse all that knowhow, in addition to taking the scientists themselves.
But I know all about the Gloster Meteor too... BTW, what jet fighters did the USA have flying in 1945?

MichaelE wrote:

Yes Yes, I know. Anything that was invented in America was really Yurp technology and anything invented in Europe had nothing to do with American technology....even if American technology came first and the Yurps borrowed heavily from it.

Another straw man argument! Nobody's denying the US has come up with a lot of spiffing inventions, but Americans tend to think it is the only country to do so.

ibigmang wrote:


Just be thankful you didn't get nuked. We were too kind.

Bullshit! You were too late, not too kind. There wouldn't have been much point in nuking Germany in August 1945 while it was occupied by Allied forces and the war was over, would there?

ibigmang said:

Just be thankful you didn't get nuked. We were too kind.

- What a stupid statement, but comming from a stupid person I am not surprised....

ibigmang wrote:

Just be thankful you didn't get nuked. We were too kind.

we know very well that you would have done that, if your former allies, the communists, would have invaded germany..

luckily this didn't happen.

hell its been a euro dump fest against almost all the majors
the last 3 days

its been overvalued garbage for way to long

Wulfrun wrote:

Given what had happened to the rest of the world while the USA was unscathed, hardly surprising.

That might have been a valid excuse 10 or even 20 years after the fact. Its been 63 years. The excuse has worn rather thin.

Britain carted off a lot of German industrial plant too.

Not even remotely comparable to what the Commies carted off.

If the USA was so far advanced, it's puzzling why it was so keen to get its hands on and peruse all that knowhow, in addition to taking the scientists themselves.
But I know all about the Gloster Meteor too... BTW, what jet fighters did the USA have flying in 1945?

Why would America not have done all it could to see what technology the Nazis had developed? Everybody knew the Commies were going to and that they were a threat.

US Jet fighters of WWII
The P59 Airacomet (USAF)
The Lockheed P-80 Shooting Star (USAF)
The Ryan FR-1 Fireball (USN)

Another straw man argument!

Hardly. Its one I've seen put forth on this forum many times.

Nobody's denying the US has come up with a lot of spiffing inventions, but Americans tend to think it is the only country to do so.

More like Yurps attempt to deny that America has come up with a lot of technological innovations.....or when it undeniably does try to either downplay it or claim somehow someway that its really European in origin.

TheCrazyKraut wrote:

we know very well that you would have done that, if your former allies, the communists, would have invaded germany..

luckily this didn't happen.

I wish we had the technology a year or two earlier. It would have saved a lot of lives-including many Germans lives just as it saved a lot of Allied and even more Japanese lives in the Pacific.

Wulfrun wrote:


the USA had taken it all - America's jet fighters and missiles are really the fruits of German endeavour).

Jets --

Sir Frank Whittle was the first to register a patent for the turbojet engine in 1930. Hans von Ohain was granted a patent for his turbojet engine in 1936.



Rockets --

Germany was highly interested in American physicist Robert H. Goddard's research. Before 1939, German scientists occasionally contacted Goddard directly with technical questions. Wernher von Braun used Goddard's plans from various journals and incorporated them into the building of the Aggregat 4 (A-4) series of rockets. One of the A-4 rockets is the well known V-2.[10] In 1963, von Braun reflected on the history of rocketry, and said of Goddard's work: "His rockets ... may have been rather crude by present-day standards, but they blazed the trail and incorporated many features used in our most modern rockets and space vehicles." [6] Goddard confirmed his work was used by von Braun when, after the war ended, Goddard inspected captured German V-2s, and recognized many components which he had invented.




Next Myth?

jagerdr wrote:


Next Myth?

Werner von Braun, is in fact an American native called "white cloud".
So, the "Redstone", FIRST ballistic US missile, developed in 1950 , and the saturnV were in NO WAY a continuation of the Germans' work on rocket propellers or guided missiles.

That's one of the most common myths in Yurp.
Those retards could believe anything!

jagerdr wrote:

Jets --

Sir Frank Whittle was the first to register a patent for the turbojet engine in 1930. Hans von Ohain was granted a patent for his turbojet engine in 1936.

Rockets --

Germany was highly interested in American physicist Robert H. Goddard's research. Before 1939, German scientists occasionally contacted Goddard directly with technical questions. Wernher von Braun used Goddard's plans from various journals and incorporated them into the building of the Aggregat 4 (A-4) series of rockets. One of the A-4 rockets is the well known V-2.[10] In 1963, von Braun reflected on the history of rocketry, and said of Goddard's work: "His rockets ... may have been rather crude by present-day standards, but they blazed the trail and incorporated many features used in our most modern rockets and space vehicles." [6] Goddard confirmed his work was used by von Braun when, after the war ended, Goddard inspected captured German V-2s, and recognized many components which he had invented.

Next Myth?

LOL! PWNED!

parigot wrote:

"ven in the metric system you can not measure weight in units of mass.

Metric system: Units of Mass = kg, Units of Force = N.

Is this somehow hard for you to yet understand?"



Give me the real definition of a unit of force and how it involves pounds, inches, feet or whatever instead of kilograms or meters...


Genius

F = mass x acceleration (F = ma)

320 lbs = 10 slugs x 32 ft/s^2

duh ...

jagerdr wrote:


Sir Frank Whittle was the first to register a patent for the turbojet engine in 1930. Hans von Ohain was granted a patent for his turbojet engine in 1936.

Indeed. Luckily for the Allies their technological lead meant they had better jet fighters than those ME262s!

jagerdr wrote:

Germany was highly interested in American physicist Robert H. Goddard's research. Before 1939, German scientists occasionally contacted Goddard directly with technical questions. Wernher von Braun used Goddard's plans from various journals and incorporated them into the building of the Aggregat 4 (A-4) series of rockets. One of the A-4 rockets is the well known V-2.[10] In 1963, von Braun reflected on the history of rocketry, and said of Goddard's work: "His rockets ... may have been rather crude by present-day standards, but they blazed the trail and incorporated many features used in our most modern rockets and space vehicles." [6] Goddard confirmed his work was used by von Braun when, after the war ended, Goddard inspected captured German V-2s, and recognized many components which he had invented.

Well, well. It was jolly decent of Goddard to help out the Nazis with potentially war-winning technology: I didn't know about that. Obviously he wasn't Jewish!

It goes without saying that the USA was on the very verge of building those rockets without Von Braun and his research: he was just a minor mechanic and his papers all went into the bin. Sure.

Next Myth?